The Military Doesn't Like Ventura's Show

[KT]

http://www.infowars.com/exclusive-jesse ... s-tv-show/

Exclusive: Jesse Ventura Talks with Alex Jones About Government Harassment of His TV Show

...Ventura told Sharpsteen he went through “proper channels” in order to film at the Eternal Flame. He was subsequently told by the military that he would not be allowed to film “because we don’t like your television show,” accord to Ventura.

The U.S. Army’s Public Affairs Office in Los Angeles, which acts as a liaison to the entertainment industry, told Kevin Diaz of the Minneapolis Star Tribune that JFK’s final resting place is “hallowed ground” and off limits to the media. “We don’t allow stand-ups next to the eternal flame for anyone,” explained Ken Hawes, director of the U.S. Army’s Public Affairs Office.

JFK’s Eternal Flame has appeared in countless television shows and movies. As part of the National Park Service, Arlington National Cemetery and JFK’s Eternal Flame are open to the public.

Hawes said that the government does not think it proper to cooperate with a show alleging that JFK’s death was an inside government job. He denied Ventura’s assertion that they turned the ex-governor down simply because they don’t like his show, according to Diaz.

“The bottom line is we said we didn’t want to be part of his television program,” Hawes told the newspaper. “We support all kinds of programs, but that one was just a little out of bounds.” In other words, the military will now decided who will be allowed to film at the Eternal Flame and permission will be predicated on what is politically acceptable to the government.

Jesse was in D.C. earlier in the week complaining about the incident of military-imposed censorship. The former Minnesota governor has complained about the incident to “every congressman I run into.” ...

[Phoenix]

I'm torn here...isn't this really a counterproductive strategy on the part of the military? Doesn't it play more to Ventura from a PR angle?
If you were an evil elite shadow government type, KT, wouldn't it make more sense to instruct your subordinates in the military chain of command to comply with this filming request and ignore Ventura as much as possible? That would convey to the public that the government wasn't the least bit interested or concerned about conspiracy theories.
Or are we supposed to believe that these characters are so throughly brainwashed that they elicit these kneejerk reactions without even consulting superiors?

Hawes said that the government does not think it proper to cooperate with a show alleging that JFK’s death was an inside government job. He denied Ventura’s assertion that they turned the ex-governor down simply because they don’t like his show, according to Diaz.

Huh? Does that make any sense? So they hate the content of the show, but have nothing against it personally? This sounds lamer than some of the turndowns I've had in my personal dating experience...there's just a surreal quality to this whole issue, KT. I'd love to swallow it whole, but it's giving me acid reflux.

[KT]

I think the military reps. who spoke out were just compartmentalized pencil pushers who thought they were doing their duty to protect America from those darn conspiracy theorists. They probably truly believed that they were doing the right thing. They've been receiving training which instructs them that dissent of any kind and straying from the norm is dangerous. The government just shut down 73,000 blogs. The Gadsden flag is now considered extremist material. They're not playing around anymore.

I remember when Alex Jones was detained at an airport in Canada on his way to film a Bilderberg meeting. Everyone was saying that it was staged and untrue. Then it was confirmed to be true by both Canadian and US news sources. I think they mean business.

[Phoenix]

I think the military reps. who spoke out were just compartmentalized pencil pushers who thought they were doing their duty to protect America from those darn conspiracy theorists. They probably truly believed that they were doing the right thing. They've been receiving training which instructs them that dissent of any kind and straying from the norm is dangerous. The government just shut down 73,000 blogs. The Gadsden flag is now considered extremist material. They're not playing around anymore.

Then my analysis would be that they are programmed for failure from a higher level.

I think they mean business.

But they aren't stupid, KT. Conflict is the tool they use to effect change.
If I'm surmising correctly, that doesn't bode well for the future. They polarize both sides just before they throw the switch.

[KT]

It's the imperial hubris of the elite Pheonix. That's what eventually brings down every empire. They're not stupid but they're also not perfect. Clever, cunning and devious, but never perfect. Evil cannot be. Oppression carries with it certain telltale characteristics. If they were willing to just sit back and let us have our way every time, we'd have freedom.

KT, wouldn't it make more sense to instruct your subordinates in the military chain of command to comply with this filming request and ignore Ventura as much as possible?

Oppression entails large scale infringements of basic rights. Many times it's done in a very open and public manner in order to send a blunt message to the masses. At times the globalists actually wish to bring attention to their authority in order to establish their dominance. I believe that some of the information about their wiretapping program for example was deliberately leaked to send a chilling effect.

You might be right about Ventura. You might not be. My point is that thus far his information has been solid in my opinion. At least in his book that I've read and what I've seen from his show. If he begins dropping poison pills on us I'll be the first to speak out. But again, there has to be an established pattern of deception as opposed to just an honest mistake. As we agreed before, we all have blind spots.

[Phoenix]

At times the globalists actually wish to bring attention to their authority in order to establish their dominance. I believe that some of the information about their wiretapping program for example was deliberately leaked to send a chilling effect.

Good point, but Ventura's show seems like a minor distraction at worst. It would seem more prudent to ignore him ostensibly and then jerk the rug out from under him later on. Let's face it, the guy has all the mainstream credibility of a circus clown -- or an ex-professional wrestler. If the globalists feel intimidated by Jesse Ventura, I've got a chihuahua two doors down that I may have to sic on them at the next Bilderberg convention.

You might be right about Ventura. You might not be. My point is that thus far his information has been solid in my opinion.

So far. But I can't get out of my mind that this is a guy who is ex-military himself and used to make a living in the phoniest, most staged professional "sport". He has had a lot of experience faking conflict and talking smack with imaginary opponents.

[KT]

I don’t believe that they fear Jesse Ventura as an individual. I believe they fear the potential influence of his work. Remember, TruTV achieved its highest ratings ever with his program. What message does that send to other networks and shows struggling to keep their heads above water? What if other cable channels began to mimic TruTV’s success in the name of ratings? Also, Ventura’s book debuted at number six on the NY Times bestseller list. He seems to be more than just a minor distraction.

Also, if he were a plant, his show black propaganda and his confrontation with the military staged, wouldn’t he be promoted on a bigger network? That’s what is being done with Glen Beck. Instead these other more mainstream networks just attack him relentlessly. By attacking him it let’s the rest of us know that talk of conspiracies and challenging the status quo will not be tolerated.

I don't really care if Ventura was a former plumber. As long as he's telling the truth. William Rodriguez for example was just a maintenance worker at the twin towers but his testimony was was some of the most credible. So much so that the 9/11 Commission kept it secret. The debunkers have always used his former employment status to discredit him. Judge a tree by the fruits that it bears. The difference is that your judgment isn't the same as mine for now. Time will tell.

Ventura has often compared wrestling to politics in terms of its fake fights.

[KT]

Ventura appears to be universally hated by both the left and the right so it's difficult to argue a controlled opposition angle.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/huffington- ... n-911.html


Huffington Post Kills Jesse Ventura’s Piece On 9/11

...The Huffington Post’s editorial policy, laid out in our blogger guidelines, prohibits the promotion and promulgation of conspiracy theories — including those about 9/11. As such, we have removed this post.

All that’s up there now are the comments left by 65 of HuffPost’s readers.

It’s worth noting that HuffPost already ran an excerpt from another chapter of American Conspiracies , about the US “war on drugs,” and they had no problem with that subject.

But this one is, as we all know, taboo. Clearly, even to question the official story of 9/11 is to engage in “conspiracy theories” (as if the official story weren’t itself a “conspiracy theory,” and a preposterous one at that). Such is always the response of the US mainstream media (the foreign media tends to be more open-minded)–and it’s also the response of our left/liberal media, as this amazing act of censorship makes clear.

So here is the offending piece. Please read it; and let’s all try to locate the particular points that are so obviously wild and baseless that HuffPost had to kill the whole piece insantly.....

Also, in case you were wondering. Ventura staunchly supports David Ray Griffin as well. That has to be a plus in your book doesn't it Pheonix?

http://911blogger.com/node/23239

...Griffin heralded ostensible endorsements from former Minnesota Governor and wrestler Jesse Ventura, some of the “Jersey Girls’ 9-11 widows,” and one member of the Japanese senate. Griffin asked rhetorically: “Does IRD believe that such people endorse silly books?”..

[Phoenix]

Also, in case you were wondering. Ventura staunchly supports David Ray Griffin as well. That has to be a plus in your book doesn't it Pheonix?

Yes, it is. If they were not on the same page, I would be concerned.

It’s worth noting that HuffPost already ran an excerpt from another chapter of American Conspiracies , about the US “war on drugs,” and they had no problem with that subject.

At the risk of digressing slightly, have you read LaRouche's Dope Inc.? Isn't it intriguing how the content of that book is now pretty much accepted generally by the lamestream media, if not openly pursued? Even the HuffPost has no problem dissing the war on drugs as a conspiracy.

[KT]

Again, you bring up fair and relevant points on Ventura which I respect. I'm with you in some areas, not so sure in others. I'm also playing a bit of devil's advocate for the sake of expanding the discussion.

I'm not familiar with the book. Do you have a link with a brief synopsis? What's your take on the drug war?

A couple of major stories in that regard.

http://www.infowars.com/fox-news-makes- ... ltivation/

Fox News Makes Excuse for CIA’s Afghan Opium Cultivation

http://djd.newsvine.com/_news/2007/09/2 ... of-cocaine

CIA Plane Crashes in Yucatan Carrying 3.2 Tons of Cocaine

[Phoenix]

I'm not familiar with the book (Dope, Inc.). Do you have a link with a brief synopsis? What's your take on the drug war?

You must read it, KT. Unlike some conspiracy tomes, it's readily available. Here is the Amazon.com listing and review. It may also be online, if you search around.

http://www.amazon.com/Dope-Inc-Drove-He ... 0943235022

As with many conspiracy world characters, LaRouche does not have a record for unblemished integrity and objectivity; however, this book is extremely factual and well-documented. It takes the global view of the drug trade, who is behind it and how they utilize the bought and sold lamestream media to conceal their real agenda and misdirect legitimate public inquiry.

What's your take on the drug war?

There is no war on drugs -- unless you count the war being waged against the underclasses and minorities via the proliferation of the drug trade in the ghettos, a la the classic scene in The Godfather where the mob bosses decide how they want to market their narcotics trade. The intelligence agencies have long been the masterminds of this game, with a large chunk of the profits recycled back into their "black ops" programs (Iran/Contra).
I find it intriguing that this conspiracy is close to becoming common, general knowledge, albeit the media attempts not to discuss it any more than absolutely incumbent upon them. Will we some day in the future be viewing the events of 9/11 with the same reluctant candor? After all, David Griffin has indicated that the official government 9/11 reports have already been tacitly edited and revised, and as the title of his book so aptly demonstrates, historians are now officially sanctioning the conspiracy related to the Pearl Harbor attacks.

[KT]

I'd like to read that book.

Have you seen this movie?

Teaser:
Ex-DEA Head Admits CIA Imported Cocaine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG1Id2qpSOE

American Drug War
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 734884936#
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CyuBuT_7I4

historians are now officially sanctioning the conspiracy related to the Pearl Harbor attacks.

Down the memory hole........


The Honolulu Advertiser dated November 30th 1941, one week before the attack on Pearl Harbor.